I’m not sure which term applies anymore, to be honest. Although, each has its truth and merits.
White Racialist and White Nationalist seem to be the most appropriate, whereas Racial Realist seems to ambiguous. White Patriot has connotations at the other end of the spectrum from White Civil Rights Activist, and I feel neither one adequately describes the intent without borrowing some of the baggage and cliche from mainstream concepts of “patriotism” and “Civil Rights Activist”.
I guess this is the most interesting survey to date at CofCC.org .
I have often described myself as more of a white civil rights activist a.k.a. nationalist, which is counter balancing a mirror reflection to either the NAACP or La Raza, both racially oriented organizations. What I find is plenty of hypocrisy on the part of other racial groups who use the two scientific higher groupings “Homo” and “Sapien” to say we are one by this rationalization for internationalism and totally ignoring race for nationalism. I often create awareness when asking others one simple question: Why is it only ‘racist’ when white people do it?
“White Adovcate” does seem more appropriate now that read both comments above. Although I did vote for White Nationlist before reading the above posts.
I said White Advocate; some of the options, like ~ Racialist and ~ Nationalist, refer to the activist’s philosophy rather than his cause. I would describe myself as an ethnopluralist, and White Advocacy as the application of that philosophy to these circumstances.
I agree with some of the choices but my own would be “Freedom Fighter”. In the government which exists today in this country,this person would be at the least an outcast, and probably physically attacked by not only the savages living amongst us but by his own cowardly people. Separatism is the only rational solution now. Too many mistakes and losses to rectify our condition
I like “White Patriot”. I don’t care for whites to use labels that associate us with “Civil Rights” and minority politics in any way. I am not trying to be more like them.
I voted “White Nationalist” because I think it is very appropriate; probably the most of those listed. Although I also very much like to use the term “White rights activist”. Like others, I hesitate to put the “civil” in front of it–too much baggage from left-wing propaganda.White Rights activist is probably my favorite, although I describe myself as both that and a White Nationalist.
I admitt I didn’t vote yet. Want to think about it a little more first. But, no matter—the important thing is what WE, and only WE, ultimately decide to call ourselves and see ourselves for who we are and who we are not. Reality and perception isn’t jivin’ with the race issue.
Picture of yourself speaking before a forum of randomly selected Americans including all races, ethnicities, or gender. I would feel less controversial and therefore more influential identifying myself as a European American Civil Rights Supporter. Racial Realist has the advantage of brevity. Also, everyone except someone like Ashley Montagu accepts that races do exist. Those who say they don’t always contradict themselves when they acknowledge their support of racial quotas.
I think the very term “Civil Rights” was coopted into hypocritical racism long ago, and would not associate with it. I am fairly racist in some ways, but I am not a hypocrite about it as liberal Civil Rights people are. There is nothing respectable about Civil Rights or the weasels who wear that label.
I am a nationalist and a father, so “White Patriot” would describe me most accurately, without denying people of other races the right to be patriotic about their own. I may make war on them as necessary, but I will not deny them their patriotism if they act it out honestly, not as Civil Rights hypocrites.
Revisiting this topic…I think it depends what we do or intend in “advocating for white people”. Being active in trying to get affirmative action set aside is one thing, for example, while wanting a sovereignty in which only white people have rights is quite something else.
A White Nationalist is someone who desires/propagates/fight for an all white nation, complete separation in our own homeland, where whites can be white, regroup and replenish are numbers and avoid extinction.
A White Advocate is someone who advocates better conditions for whites amongest the colored masses, asking/begging them to treat us fairly and to give us a our piece of the pie.
I voted for Racial Realist because anything with the word “white” in it or “nationalism” in it has unfortunately got negative associations and will be jumped on by the media at every turn.
In response to an earlier post expressing fondness for the term “white rights activist” is, in my opinion, worse than any other label choice listed, it looks like it serves only to parody those who advocate special treatment for minorities and deters from the seriousness of this cause in the eyes of the public and potential converts to our world view. Truthfully i feel that any label for this cause with the word “white” as one of the words would also be detrimental to the growth of the movement, only because of labels like “white supremacist” and maybe in a way subliminally reminiscent of demarkations of segregation i.e. “whites only”, may be a turn off to those we may be able to sway to our side if the group seems a bit more moderate (i’m not suggesting we be more moderate to attract followers) but as a facade, with clever manipulation of the language we choose, more interest (in us as a legitimate cause) will be paid, and after some gradual acknowledgement of this as a serious issue, it would not be difficult to change those peoples perspective and becoming people of our point of view. i say “racially aware” is probably the best self label for us, sounding more proper and without the anti-intellectual connotation a term such as “white nationalist” carries.
I voted “other” because I think “Civil Rights Advocate” is the correct term.
It is the least loaded term, and frankly it gives us the ability to use the terminology of the left which, is actually a constructive thing. You see, all those other terms will immediately get labeled by the media as “racist”. But “Civil Rights Advocate” is already held in high esteem.
“Racism” is considered the ultimate evil in American society. So let’s run with it. When tests for firefighters are thrown out or have to be changed to benefit just a certain race, that is racist. So Civil Rights Advocates should decry the racism of the new tests, or the racism of not letting people pass on their merits. We should march with signs that say, “End the racism now!” and chant to, “Get the Racists out of Government”.
Anywhere there is “affirmative action” Civil Rights Advocates should sue, hold protests, sit-ins and hurl the insult of “Racist!” at any politician that supports such a policy.
We can even call out Jesse and AL to join with us to fight the racism. And when they don’t, we can call them “Racist!”.
Currently we have a system where non whites are given preferential treatment in all facets of society. I’m for white people being given equal opportunity and the same treatment as any other people. I think everyone here wants that too. Some people may want more. But getting fair treatment and being able to say factual things about race without fear of persecution should be a goal of everyone, and it is within out grasp in short order if things are done correctly.
I chose traditionalist. I believe in traditional Catholicism, I believe in the US Constitution, (before the reconstruction, income tax, and direct election of senators amendments were added) and not sacrifing the interests of the traditional majority for the those of the minorities.
We are now the only group that refers to itself as a color. Afro American, Mexican American, Native American, Asian American etc… How about European American, which is what we are. We have a culture, a religion, a work ethic and social morality and mores based on our European heritage. Let’s claim it and be proud…
The term “conservative” has always served me quite well. I’ve never had to explain myself. With everything else you have to teach the people your speaking to a new word.
“Western Nationalist” maybe…the word nationalist can still be used in spite of the governmental and linguistic circumstances that divide us, the people indiginous to NW Europe, and to a lesser degree anyone of Western Euro origin i guess are one extended “nation” or “people” (widely and incorrectly used interchangeably with “state”), in my interpertation anyway just bored and took a whack at your question. ”Western Preservationist” seems like a good one too.
Lol yea there are few things things that enrage the left more than taking their own empty rhetoric and throwing it back in their face in a context equally or more sensible than they do. i don’t think that using that term would be effective in spreading the message, other than the extreme minority of people well informed about the reality of race in society (whether on the right or left), any common idiot who hears that “civil rights advocate” in a reference to benefit our people will not be left with an impression of what the message really is, though just my own educated guess, would probably go in one ear and out the other without any residual effect, that is if such a bland and overused term even manages to catch their ear, as opposed to “racially aware” with the term racial more likely to capture attention and give an accurate portrait of the message. to quote some or another famous one, the topic of race today is like sex in victorian england, vigorously censured from in the public forum, but behind closed doors people are fascinated by it.
“european american” ugh a term that infuriates me to no end. when you say something like that you imply that being of european extraction is not a requirement to be truly an american. and it puts us the founders and builders of this country on the same level as so called “asian-americans” “Mexican-american” and any other hyphenated “americans”
Possibly but you are looking at in a binary fashion (either with us or against us). No what we want is to start shifting people from anti-white to becoming neutral, from neutral to becoming a “white advocate” and from advocate to becoming a full fledged white nationalist. Its kind of the reverse of what the anti-whites have been doing for the past 150 years, if you think you undo that many layers of logic that has been getting worse with every generation its going to take some time. As the demographics become worse its only going to get easier to convert because the facts on the ground will be irrefutable.
Once we can get people to see this part of a larger pattern of anti-white discrimination and not just random unrelated events the easier it will become. There is no quick fix to the problem until we have a PARADIGM shift in our people to recognize that there even is a problem.
I hear what you are saying and agree to a point. I am an American first and foremost but since everyone today seems to be aligning themselves into tribal groups instead on nationalities I would rather be referred to as European American than “white”. White is just a neutral color and I am far from neutral. I am proud of my rich Euro ancestry and it drives the 3rd worlders crazy with jealousy!
yeah when ever asked about my ancestry i just respond “Anglo-Saxon” i would never call myself an englishman like how that means native to the british isles and born in england….i feel similarly about saying “European” like i see it as more as a vague racial term but mostly having to do with being from there. whats your ancestry cause if its NW euro “Anglo-Nordic” (even with no english ancestry anglo referring to the culture) or “Anglo-Celtic” which is what basically 95% of whines in Australia refer to themselves as. i can send you an online book i have about the races of europe if u want
Hey Spence, I like the idea of European-American. This is why. February! Black history month drives me insane! Let us have a month of white contribution to the world. I am not very savvy with the european back grounds, maybe you have some insight as to what I would be called. My geneology goes to Germany, Ireland, and Spain.
Hey, I totally agree with your comment. From my experiences, living in the south for twenty-five years, then returning to the midwest, I realize that I am that angry old white man that society has no use for. Young whites have been indoctrinated to accept society as it is. They have no idea of the consequences, or even care. Government, media, and entertainment have totally stripped away the culture that was primarily white in favor of diversity in this country. When I speak to anyone outside of my children, I am just a paranoid biggot. These people are white, Christian, and republican. I give them facts and they just do not care. When the oil light comes on in the car, you shut it off. Not these people today.
I have been trying (apparently in like mind with others on other websites) to promote the neologism “Americaner”. It is very similar, of course, to “Afrikaner”, which is also a neologism and which emphasizes an identity as colonists and pioneers rather than as ‘immigrants’. It also emphasizes that we are NOT a people of modern Europe: we are not Brits or Irish or French, and not merely a mix of those either. We are a unique people of a unique heritage, though one that owes it’s existence to ancient Europe.
I agree… I very often respond similarly… with “Anglo and Saxon”- Anglo being a linguistic term in much of America and Saxon in reference to my ancestors from Saxony…. or “Old Saxony” in Northwestern Germany. I feel absurd calling myself a “German” or an “Irishman” or even “Norman” (though some my surname is Hiberno-Norman). As I posted before though, I more often respond with “Americaner”, and say the above if anyone asks for clarification.
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I’m not sure which term applies anymore, to be honest. Although, each has its truth and merits.
White Racialist and White Nationalist seem to be the most appropriate, whereas Racial Realist seems to ambiguous. White Patriot has connotations at the other end of the spectrum from White Civil Rights Activist, and I feel neither one adequately describes the intent without borrowing some of the baggage and cliche from mainstream concepts of “patriotism” and “Civil Rights Activist”.
I guess this is the most interesting survey to date at CofCC.org
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February 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pmThe way I see it “White Advocate” is easier for the public to understand. Some of the other terms just confuse people.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pmI have often described myself as more of a white civil rights activist a.k.a. nationalist, which is counter balancing a mirror reflection to either the NAACP or La Raza, both racially oriented organizations. What I find is plenty of hypocrisy on the part of other racial groups who use the two scientific higher groupings “Homo” and “Sapien” to say we are one by this rationalization for internationalism and totally ignoring race for nationalism. I often create awareness when asking others one simple question: Why is it only ‘racist’ when white people do it?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm“White Adovcate” does seem more appropriate now that read both comments above. Although I did vote for White Nationlist before reading the above posts.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pmI would not be bashful about using White Racialist. Uninformed might misinterpret it, but those introduced to it will be fine with it.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pmToo vague.
I know some who fall in each category.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:43 pmI said White Advocate; some of the options, like ~ Racialist and ~ Nationalist, refer to the activist’s philosophy rather than his cause. I would describe myself as an ethnopluralist, and White Advocacy as the application of that philosophy to these circumstances.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:41 amI agree with some of the choices but my own would be “Freedom Fighter”. In the government which exists today in this country,this person would be at the least an outcast, and probably physically attacked by not only the savages living amongst us but by his own cowardly people. Separatism is the only rational solution now. Too many mistakes and losses to rectify our condition
February 10th, 2012 at 11:45 pmI like “White Patriot”. I don’t care for whites to use labels that associate us with “Civil Rights” and minority politics in any way. I am not trying to be more like them.
February 11th, 2012 at 6:24 pmThese are the kind of persons the leftists liberal news media like to refer to as racsist and extremists since the media is very much leftists anyway
February 12th, 2012 at 11:16 amI voted “White Nationalist” because I think it is very appropriate; probably the most of those listed. Although I also very much like to use the term “White rights activist”. Like others, I hesitate to put the “civil” in front of it–too much baggage from left-wing propaganda.White Rights activist is probably my favorite, although I describe myself as both that and a White Nationalist.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:03 pmI voted against Obama becuase of what i heard about his leftists leanings and i,ll vote against him again in november
February 14th, 2012 at 1:33 amI admitt I didn’t vote yet. Want to think about it a little more first. But, no matter—the important thing is what WE, and only WE, ultimately decide to call ourselves and see ourselves for who we are and who we are not. Reality and perception isn’t jivin’ with the race issue.
March 19th, 2012 at 5:35 amPro-White activist
March 19th, 2012 at 9:21 amPicture of yourself speaking before a forum of randomly selected Americans including all races, ethnicities, or gender. I would feel less controversial and therefore more influential identifying myself as a European American Civil Rights Supporter. Racial Realist has the advantage of brevity. Also, everyone except someone like Ashley Montagu accepts that races do exist. Those who say they don’t always contradict themselves when they acknowledge their support of racial quotas.
March 19th, 2012 at 1:02 pmI think the very term “Civil Rights” was coopted into hypocritical racism long ago, and would not associate with it. I am fairly racist in some ways, but I am not a hypocrite about it as liberal Civil Rights people are. There is nothing respectable about Civil Rights or the weasels who wear that label.
I am a nationalist and a father, so “White Patriot” would describe me most accurately, without denying people of other races the right to be patriotic about their own. I may make war on them as necessary, but I will not deny them their patriotism if they act it out honestly, not as Civil Rights hypocrites.
March 19th, 2012 at 2:31 pmRevisiting this topic…I think it depends what we do or intend in “advocating for white people”. Being active in trying to get affirmative action set aside is one thing, for example, while wanting a sovereignty in which only white people have rights is quite something else.
March 19th, 2012 at 4:52 pmIn the US, someone who advocates for White people is known as a “Pariah.”
May 13th, 2012 at 2:28 pmA White Nationalist is someone who desires/propagates/fight for an all white nation, complete separation in our own homeland, where whites can be white, regroup and replenish are numbers and avoid extinction.
May 13th, 2012 at 5:48 pmA White Advocate is someone who advocates better conditions for whites amongest the colored masses, asking/begging them to treat us fairly and to give us a our piece of the pie.
I voted for Racial Realist because anything with the word “white” in it or “nationalism” in it has unfortunately got negative associations and will be jumped on by the media at every turn.
May 13th, 2012 at 9:00 pmWhat term/phrase would best describe a defender of Western culture?
I know of no adequate answer.
May 14th, 2012 at 6:18 am“racially aware” is my preference
May 14th, 2012 at 7:40 amIn response to an earlier post expressing fondness for the term “white rights activist” is, in my opinion, worse than any other label choice listed, it looks like it serves only to parody those who advocate special treatment for minorities and deters from the seriousness of this cause in the eyes of the public and potential converts to our world view. Truthfully i feel that any label for this cause with the word “white” as one of the words would also be detrimental to the growth of the movement, only because of labels like “white supremacist” and maybe in a way subliminally reminiscent of demarkations of segregation i.e. “whites only”, may be a turn off to those we may be able to sway to our side if the group seems a bit more moderate (i’m not suggesting we be more moderate to attract followers) but as a facade, with clever manipulation of the language we choose, more interest (in us as a legitimate cause) will be paid, and after some gradual acknowledgement of this as a serious issue, it would not be difficult to change those peoples perspective and becoming people of our point of view. i say “racially aware” is probably the best self label for us, sounding more proper and without the anti-intellectual connotation a term such as “white nationalist” carries.
May 14th, 2012 at 8:55 amI voted “other” because I think “Civil Rights Advocate” is the correct term.
It is the least loaded term, and frankly it gives us the ability to use the terminology of the left which, is actually a constructive thing. You see, all those other terms will immediately get labeled by the media as “racist”. But “Civil Rights Advocate” is already held in high esteem.
“Racism” is considered the ultimate evil in American society. So let’s run with it. When tests for firefighters are thrown out or have to be changed to benefit just a certain race, that is racist. So Civil Rights Advocates should decry the racism of the new tests, or the racism of not letting people pass on their merits. We should march with signs that say, “End the racism now!” and chant to, “Get the Racists out of Government”.
Anywhere there is “affirmative action” Civil Rights Advocates should sue, hold protests, sit-ins and hurl the insult of “Racist!” at any politician that supports such a policy.
We can even call out Jesse and AL to join with us to fight the racism. And when they don’t, we can call them “Racist!”.
Currently we have a system where non whites are given preferential treatment in all facets of society. I’m for white people being given equal opportunity and the same treatment as any other people. I think everyone here wants that too. Some people may want more. But getting fair treatment and being able to say factual things about race without fear of persecution should be a goal of everyone, and it is within out grasp in short order if things are done correctly.
May 14th, 2012 at 8:56 amI chose traditionalist. I believe in traditional Catholicism, I believe in the US Constitution, (before the reconstruction, income tax, and direct election of senators amendments were added) and not sacrifing the interests of the traditional majority for the those of the minorities.
May 14th, 2012 at 9:20 amEverything on this planet is an advocate for crackas.
May 14th, 2012 at 11:04 amWe are now the only group that refers to itself as a color. Afro American, Mexican American, Native American, Asian American etc… How about European American, which is what we are. We have a culture, a religion, a work ethic and social morality and mores based on our European heritage. Let’s claim it and be proud…
May 14th, 2012 at 11:17 amThe term “conservative” has always served me quite well. I’ve never had to explain myself. With everything else you have to teach the people your speaking to a new word.
May 14th, 2012 at 12:14 pmThe term Conservative has always served me well. I never have to explain myself.
May 14th, 2012 at 12:17 pm“Western Nationalist” maybe…the word nationalist can still be used in spite of the governmental and linguistic circumstances that divide us, the people indiginous to NW Europe, and to a lesser degree anyone of Western Euro origin i guess are one extended “nation” or “people” (widely and incorrectly used interchangeably with “state”), in my interpertation anyway just bored and took a whack at your question. ”Western Preservationist” seems like a good one too.
May 14th, 2012 at 1:10 pmLol yea there are few things things that enrage the left more than taking their own empty rhetoric and throwing it back in their face in a context equally or more sensible than they do. i don’t think that using that term would be effective in spreading the message, other than the extreme minority of people well informed about the reality of race in society (whether on the right or left), any common idiot who hears that “civil rights advocate” in a reference to benefit our people will not be left with an impression of what the message really is, though just my own educated guess, would probably go in one ear and out the other without any residual effect, that is if such a bland and overused term even manages to catch their ear, as opposed to “racially aware” with the term racial more likely to capture attention and give an accurate portrait of the message. to quote some or another famous one, the topic of race today is like sex in victorian england, vigorously censured from in the public forum, but behind closed doors people are fascinated by it.
May 14th, 2012 at 1:34 pm“european american” ugh a term that infuriates me to no end. when you say something like that you imply that being of european extraction is not a requirement to be truly an american. and it puts us the founders and builders of this country on the same level as so called “asian-americans” “Mexican-american” and any other hyphenated “americans”
May 14th, 2012 at 1:41 pmPossibly but you are looking at in a binary fashion (either with us or against us). No what we want is to start shifting people from anti-white to becoming neutral, from neutral to becoming a “white advocate” and from advocate to becoming a full fledged white nationalist. Its kind of the reverse of what the anti-whites have been doing for the past 150 years, if you think you undo that many layers of logic that has been getting worse with every generation its going to take some time. As the demographics become worse its only going to get easier to convert because the facts on the ground will be irrefutable.
Once we can get people to see this part of a larger pattern of anti-white discrimination and not just random unrelated events the easier it will become. There is no quick fix to the problem until we have a PARADIGM shift in our people to recognize that there even is a problem.
May 14th, 2012 at 1:54 pmI hear what you are saying and agree to a point. I am an American first and foremost but since everyone today seems to be aligning themselves into tribal groups instead on nationalities I would rather be referred to as European American than “white”. White is just a neutral color and I am far from neutral. I am proud of my rich Euro ancestry and it drives the 3rd worlders crazy with jealousy!
May 14th, 2012 at 3:51 pmyeah when ever asked about my ancestry i just respond “Anglo-Saxon” i would never call myself an englishman like how that means native to the british isles and born in england….i feel similarly about saying “European” like i see it as more as a vague racial term but mostly having to do with being from there. whats your ancestry cause if its NW euro “Anglo-Nordic” (even with no english ancestry anglo referring to the culture) or “Anglo-Celtic” which is what basically 95% of whines in Australia refer to themselves as. i can send you an online book i have about the races of europe if u want
May 14th, 2012 at 5:10 pmHey Spence, I like the idea of European-American. This is why. February! Black history month drives me insane! Let us have a month of white contribution to the world. I am not very savvy with the european back grounds, maybe you have some insight as to what I would be called. My geneology goes to Germany, Ireland, and Spain.
May 15th, 2012 at 12:08 amHey, I totally agree with your comment. From my experiences, living in the south for twenty-five years, then returning to the midwest, I realize that I am that angry old white man that society has no use for. Young whites have been indoctrinated to accept society as it is. They have no idea of the consequences, or even care. Government, media, and entertainment have totally stripped away the culture that was primarily white in favor of diversity in this country. When I speak to anyone outside of my children, I am just a paranoid biggot. These people are white, Christian, and republican. I give them facts and they just do not care. When the oil light comes on in the car, you shut it off. Not these people today.
May 15th, 2012 at 12:51 amWe should call ourselves “Middle Americans”.
May 15th, 2012 at 5:22 amI have been trying (apparently in like mind with others on other websites) to promote the neologism “Americaner”. It is very similar, of course, to “Afrikaner”, which is also a neologism and which emphasizes an identity as colonists and pioneers rather than as ‘immigrants’. It also emphasizes that we are NOT a people of modern Europe: we are not Brits or Irish or French, and not merely a mix of those either. We are a unique people of a unique heritage, though one that owes it’s existence to ancient Europe.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:01 pmI agree… I very often respond similarly… with “Anglo and Saxon”- Anglo being a linguistic term in much of America and Saxon in reference to my ancestors from Saxony…. or “Old Saxony” in Northwestern Germany. I feel absurd calling myself a “German” or an “Irishman” or even “Norman” (though some my surname is Hiberno-Norman). As I posted before though, I more often respond with “Americaner”, and say the above if anyone asks for clarification.
May 15th, 2012 at 4:10 pm